The astrologer was born in 1892 in Chicago, Kimball – a well-known astrologer by astrology society by the technique he developed for predictive system that was later called ‘the key cycle’ (I’ll explore more the subject in further posts), and in regular society because one of his predictive claims came to be true.
The book was written to face off all the arguments that clashes with the idea that astrology doesn’t work: “Astrology: Science of Prediction 1945 – Proofs of the Correspondences Between Man and the Solar System, Reasons Why and Replies to False Arguments by Critics Who Have Not Studied This Science”. – By Sidney K Bennettca.
The critique and the Answer – Astrology
The reply wasn’t just for Dale Carnegie, he cited others and wrote about the many letters criticizing astrology. You can see the part of the book online here (link) on page 149, Dale says that people shouldn’t spend money on people who tells you they can foretell the future. I don’t doubt the connection to the same principle to astrology, which is basically the same: to foretell results if the tool is right executed. But he didn’t believe the stars, he needed people to express and talk with no detriment; he was about theory and practice at the same time, astrology would give him too many variables tools and less expected results.
Dale says about astrology having a bad reputation for not even being in any study program in school or universities.
Along the book there is a part where Dale cited an example of how astrology doesn’t work by putting astrologers around the world with the same birth data so they should describe what they saw in their professional area, all of them was incorrect. Dale took the result seriously as an offensive and a waste of time practice. Wynn replies saying that Dale perhaps didn’t grasp the man who was in the army was there because he could only do but shot a gun.
Astrologer Wynn is obviously very affected by his prejudices, but I have to agree with both: Don’t waste time on other people’s opinion… I would add: unless it really helps you. He also talks about the way Dale think he knows all the answer, I think he was seriously pointing to Dale’s Sun conjunction Jupiter ‘thing’.
Wynn says that Dale with his apparent skeptical side alarming had just insulted the psychiatry profession, because astrology is also valid for verifying human behavior in general.
Interesting thing is that astrologer Wynn wrote about Dale natal Sun opposition Neptune, and Sun trine Moon. Indicating perhaps Dale had indeed a Moon in Leo, and not Cancer as I imagines, unless he wasn’t talking about an exact, the Moon was then in the last degrees Cancer.
Wynn replied the whole letter. In the end, it was a matter of who was right and wrong in their own terms, but one had studied the subject as a profession.
Dale said that he didn’t believe in astrology, but when I saw this very quoting of his, somehow I immediately thought of his strong generational Gemini opposing his personal Sun in Sagittarius:
“The ideas I stand for are not mine. I borrowed them from Socrates. I swiped them from Chesterfield. I stole them from Jesus. And I put them in a book. If you don’t like their rules whose would you use?”
According to astro-databank, the chart below is correct in birth-time, since the site verifies the time as A:
The first thing I saw was the opposition of Wynn Sun and Dale Saturn by 1º degree. The Sun irradiate the fears of failure of Saturn, and Saturn restrains the flames of the Sun. People with this aspect are usually hard with themselves. Wynn was an Aquarius astrologer of the time, and had the generational planets Pluto conjunction Neptune in exact aspect, and it was conjunction by 1º degree Dale’s Pluto in Gemini, the result if the two aren’t in the same dynamic is one intoxicate the other by the power of the word, and the debate is really interesting between them. Wynn had the action Mars in fiery Sagittarius at 10 º degrees, and was after and hunting Dale’s opinion on the subject, Dale Jupiter was in the truth teller Sagittarius at 14º degrees.
The reply was written in August of 1939, Saturn had just entered Taurus ready to conjoin the planet of astrology Uranus, and Pluto was back and forth in early Leo making a stellium that month with Sun, Venus and Mercury in Leo, about to give Dale the power of authority trough the next years of his life, due to his success, as it was conjunction his Saturn in Leo topics. Jupiter was in Aries, giving Wynn Ascendant a boost of confidence in the personality and reply straight-forwards the letters or criticism.
Dale and Hitler Generation – Astrology
For better understanding of how heavy this generation impacted (Pluto) the ideals of the masses (Neptune) trough ideas (Gemini) by their own proud convictions (Saturn in Leo), I’ll bring Hitler to the board. Dale Carnegie was born 1 year before Hitler, meaning he was born in the same generation that shows in their charts: Neptune the planet of Glamour and utopia in the sign of the multiply personality Gemini conjunction the power planet and shared resources Pluto in Gemini. Astrologer Wynn was born some years later but he still got the creative generational aspect continued and with a more exact conjunction of Pluto and Neptune by 0 degree. Dale was born in 1888, Hitler in 1889 and Wynn in 1892.
This was a strong generation that marked the world some way or another during those rough times. Uranus (eccentric/genius) in Libra (relationship) also made strong aspects to personal planets to their charts. Let’s not forget mentioning the Saturn (father) in Leo (conviction) in harmonious aspects to the generational planets, foreseeing the authority figures they later became, without restraining themselves in their intellectual resources.
From the idea that Jeff Green points out in his book about evolutionary aspects of the soul that is regularly mentioned here, both Dale and Hitler had North Node in Cancer. Indicating that Pluto in Gemini would obsessively let them relate to words as a form of pure expression, they would feel the urge to name the universe according to what they felt fit, they often loose their sense between what is the truth and what are just options, and once mastered the energy they could build intense ability of communication in order for one to have what it wants at the moment it wishes. North node in Cancer here plays strong in their manipulation ability to get what it wants trough ways that are usually nurturing for their sides. Neptune would play strong but subtle in the use of glamorizing power (conjunction to Pluto) and investigating people’s ideals to the core. Dale and Hitler had different personalities and views about the world, one was a leader and knew how to teach and pass the gift away to others, while the other was a leader that showed no positive vibration to its skills and humanity, however both had something in common: they were convinced people who convinced people by their ideas for better or worse.